Which will fail first - Lehman, Wachovia, Merrill or Citibank?

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If the market is open, the financials are down 10%. This will continue until we have another Bear Stearns-like failure. Bernanke has told us as much. Don't try to bottom-fish. These are failed business models.

 

Submitted: Jul 15, 2008    Views: 5368    Comments: 24    Likes: 2   


The business model of leveraging credit upon credit has failed.  It wasn't a Bear Stearns model, it was an industry.  There were many culprits, banks without the intellectual capital to grow the business of the basis of investment banking or trading like Goldman, Morgan Stanley or JP Morgan, that just leveraged their balance sheet and kept leveraging and leverage.  A crazy credit environment, a housing bubble and a strong economy all contributed to the environment.  But, when you build with leverage on leverage, it doesn't take too much to bring down the house. 

The house is falling now.  These banks are down 10% every day.  The model has failed and there is nothing left.   This will continue until we see a major failure.

I believe that Citi will be bailed out by some middle eastern prince or sovereign wealth fund.  I am sell certain of Lehman, Merrill and Wachovia.  I think that one of these banks will fail and fail soon.

However, I could be wrong so I wouldn't dream of shorting one of these.

 




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news?
(Unregistered)

"This will continue until we see a major failure."

we've already seen a major failure. it's called bear stearns.

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

Aaron
(Unregistered)

I'd be shocked if Merrill or Citi failed. Lehman might go private if its stock keeps going lower. I think WaMu is most likely of the big ones to fail.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Which-banks-are-in-the-most-trouble-now

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

I don't consider WaMu to be a big one, but I do agree with Aaron that it will fail.

Posted: Jul 15, 2008

Thomas
(Unregistered)

Wachovia looks pretty bad but I don't think it will fail. It has a much more attractive franchise than Indymac and should be able to raise additional capital if needed.

They must really be regretting the purchase of Golden West financial.

Posted: Jul 16, 2008

Raj
(Unregistered)

Wachovia's stock just doubled this week.

Posted: Jul 18, 2008

Doser
(Unregistered)

Wachovia stock is still under 13 a share after a 76% decline. The option arm porfolio is going to sink their ship, bc they cant dump them at a high enough price and they were orginating them up through this month (July).

Posted: Jul 20, 2008

scott jones
(Unregistered)

I think wachovia will be bought out by another bank. Maybe Wells Fargo. They are going down fast. They won't be able to digest Golden West purchase. Bears, Leman Bros, WaMu, Wachovia is next! Beware!

Posted: Sep 14, 2008

Tonight we have an answer and it is Lehman.

Posted: Sep 14, 2008

Eric Peters
(Unregistered)

ON THE MONEY WITH LEHMAN, IS CITIBANK NEXT?

Posted: Sep 14, 2008

Good call. Only two left from your original list.

Posted: Sep 15, 2008

J Simpson
(Unregistered)

Sam Cass, Merryl Lynch was boughtout by BOC today also, so that makes two. Also Wachovia is likely to fail within the next 2-3 years.

Posted: Sep 17, 2008

V. Pandit
(Unregistered)

Citigroup is very well capitalized. Keep the short thought comments quiet. You are clueless.

Posted: Sep 17, 2008

A.G
(Unregistered)

Amazing!!! I wish I had read this in June!

Posted: Sep 22, 2008

A.G
(Unregistered)

please excuse the typo. I meant July. Anyhow what do you make of the current situation and would you still say that wachovia and citibank will fail within the next few months/years?

Posted: Sep 22, 2008

Bruno
(Unregistered)

no big bank has failed yet...only investment banks like Lehman that had no deposit base to tap when credit froze...Merrill did not fail it was bought at quiet a big premium over heir share price i might add.

wachovia and citi have loads of assets they can sell before having to fail, wachovia securities for one would attract a lot of interest...and wachovia has now for the first time in decades a solid CEO in charge, if paulson plans goes through they will also be probably one of the most beneficiated banks by it out there...all their core businesses are doing good except their troubled mortgage portfolio if they can dump that at adequate prices wachovia will be just fine...citi on the other hand will need major restructuring its just too big and burocratic.

anyway i believe both wachovia and citi are in the "too big to fail" category, lehman wasnt but these banks certainly are.

Posted: Sep 25, 2008

James H
(Unregistered)

Wamu bailed out by Chase...

Posted: Sep 26, 2008

WaMu failed and was then bailed out by Chase. The OTS took control.

Wachovia and National City are down sharply today. Wachovia has a bunch of mortgage junk on its books.

Citi will also come under pressure and will not be the same company by the end of this.

Posted: Sep 26, 2008

Citi just purchased Wachovia. Only Citi is left from your original list.

Posted: Sep 29, 2008

Mortgagemillions
(Unregistered)

You should've followed your guts you nailed every one. Unfortunately you were too right.

Posted: Sep 29, 2008

Larry
(Unregistered)

So who do you predict will be next given the recent turn of events?

Posted: Oct 12, 2008

SP
(Unregistered)

City is also coming...

Posted: Nov 22, 2008

SP
(Unregistered)

Sorry for typo Citi not City...

Posted: Nov 22, 2008

ARAB GUY
(Unregistered)

Citi will be backed by the Arab money, No worries!
Seriously Citi Bank is the best bank.
You fools worry about bank of America more because if they fail there won't be agroup of rich Arabs to bail them out!

Posted: Nov 23, 2008

Dhillon F.
(Unregistered)

Looks like 'ARAB GUY'is the one who is a 'fool' and 'V.Pandit' is the one who is 'clueless'. Without the government bailout citi would have gone down.

Posted: Nov 30, 2008



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